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« on: July 12, 2009, 09:46:28 pm »

From the plan at Malaga airport that the new runway, due to open in 2010, lies in the general direction of Guadalhorce but the scale does not extend as far as the Parque. Researching the web, I tried to find whether the flight path to the new runway will pass over the Parque or to one side. I found a reference to an Envionmental Impact Statement "Official Gazette of the Spanish State, BOE No. 240, dated 7 October 2003 (pages 36306-36313)" but could not get the actual text.

Does any member of this forum have a copy of this EIS and if so, could he/she post the relevent extract on the forum.

The above was asked for on another forum and thought people here might provide the answer?

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 11:27:56 pm »

Hi Derek,
Don't know about the new runway orientation but you might be interested to know that the piece of ground next to the reserve, Arranjal, is now possibly going to be turned into a public park with lakes, gardens etc rather than developed with housing and hotel as originally planned. It is the last piece of undeveloped coast on western side of Malaga city. The subject of a huge debate , needless to say the local gov. seem to be supporting the developers who are basically asking that they get repaid the full development price but central gov. are fully behind the park so it looks hopeful. The developers own about 60% which is 53 hectares while other 40% is still in many private parcels so it will be a sizeable enough park....if it happens.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 10:25:56 am »

I thought I would ask our ABS colleague Andy Paterson as the reserve is his local patch. I attach Andy's remarks:

I know little about it, others have been worried about it, but I don't think it will affect the Guadalhorce reserve too much. My own worry would be about increasing bird strike possibilities on final approach over the sea as there are often biggish flocks of gull and I've seen gulls turned arse over tea kettle by the jet wash, although I have never seen one ingested and nor do I wish to be too near if one ever does. take-off, is ofcourse,a different matter.

Perhaps equally important is the fact that raptors do cross the inland side and across the flight path of aircraft on final approach any time from early August (flocks of Black Kites mainly) to mid/late October when migrating Griffons also pass across, and they don't give a damn about aircraft! I once saw one from the aircraft when over the Chorro on the final drag in - fortunately well below us but it made me wonder!

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 02:59:24 pm »

Thanks Derek for bringing my question over from BirdForum. When in doubt ask the local experts.

Let me introduce myself. I've been a casual birder for decades but this year I got involved with Louth Nature Trust's Little Tern Project near my home in Ireland, see http://www.louthnaturetrust.org/little_tern_blog_2009. We provide 24hr wardening on four fenced areas for the birds to nest. This year has been a great success with 91 chicks hatched so far. I act as warden there on a regular basis.

I migrate to the Costa several times during the autumn, winter and spring. For me, Guadalhorce is within cycling distance of my winter roost. I would love to join one of your outings and meet you all later in the year.

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 05:55:06 pm »

http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2003/10/07/pdfs/A36306-36313.pdf

Hi everyone. The above is the address for the information requested by Derek on the EIS at Málaga airport. On the boe web page you type in the date of the publication or the bulletin number (not both) and you will find it under  III Otras Disposiciones. Ministerio de Medio Ambiente
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2009, 06:24:54 pm »

http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2006/07/27/pdfs/A28281-28290.pdf

Hello again- this reference is the actual statement.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 06:44:44 pm »

Hi Mike
Many thanks for the two documents. All I have to do now is translate them which may take me a while.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 11:03:36 pm »

I migrate to the Costa several times during the autumn, winter and spring. For me, Guadalhorce is within cycling distance of my winter roost. I would love to join one of your outings and meet you all later in the year.

Paddy

Hi Paddy,

Very good to have you here on the ABS forum and although it is relatively new I think we are progressing nicely. We would of course be delighted to meet you during some of your visits. Keep an eye on Calendar Events for postings of any proposed meetings (too hot at the moment). I was thinking of asking everyone if they might be up for a 3 night trip to Morocco in October?

I hope having another seabird enthusiast here might lure Andy to post a few things! Although I know he is extremely busy with many tasks, not least his new book 'Seabirds of the North East Atlantic', I will keep members posted on publication dates etc.

Peter  :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 06:43:58 pm »

Paddy - at the end of the second document there are some photos of the runways considered. The third small photo is the one chosen. I think the large one is an enlargement, of the smaller one although I can`t say I´m too familiar with runways!   If you want me to translate anything in particular, no problem.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 08:44:46 pm »

Hi Peter and Mike,
Many thanks for your words of welcome to the forum, much appreciated. I will keep an eye out for the autumn gatherings.

The third photo on page 10 of the A28281-A28290 is indeed the option I saw modelled in the departures hall at Malaga. The large photo shows the new runway with associated taxiways holding areas etc. I am working on a translation through Googl'e's Translate Toolbar but I may well take you up on that kind offer, Mike.

It seems to me from the photos that the flightpath to the new runway will pass directly over the western edge of the new footbridge at Guadalhorce and close to the Guadalmar urbanisation. Aircraft altitude over the reserve would be approximately between 200ft and 400ft above ground level. The presence of flocks of large birds may well present a safety hazard to aircraft safety. The presence of aircraft at low altitude is also a threat to the nature reserve.

What I would like to do is now is to start a debate/discussion on how the conservation and safety issues might best be addressed, perhaps through the use of a 'preferential runway' system when the new runway comes into operation. By that I mean that the existing runway (32) would be used for all landing traffic while the new runway (30) would be used for departures only, when the wind is from the hills. Conversely, when the wind is from the sea, the existing runway (14) would be used for takeoff and the new runway (12) would be used for all landing traffic.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 06:23:32 pm »

Hi guys,
The additional disturbance caused by the extension to the airport may be partially offset by this Arraijanal park development on the western side of Guadalmar.
I read today that the Junta are determined that Arraijanal will indeed be a green zone.  The extensive development of Guadalmar lies between the bird reserve on the east and Arraijanal to the west, i.e. Guadalmar will be in the middle of these two large green zones. The residents of Guadalmar currently use the bird reserve as a recreational area but with a large new park adjoining them on the west side one might imagine that it is bound to take much of this pressure away, there should be less disturbance from dogs, cyclists, joggers etc. plus the new green zone itself will be used by birds.  Of course it doesn't  solve all the problems such as  the risk of air strikes but it is bound to help in other ways, better another green area than another hotel comlex!
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 03:18:05 pm »

Hi,
Having read the EIS and noted that the Guadalhorce reserve is mentioned, I’m now looking for what restrictions, if any, were placed on the use of the new runway to minimise disturbance of the birds while ensuring the safe operation of aircraft.

Any such restriction would normally be detailed in the document granting permission for construction of the runway. Is there anybody on the forum who would know where such a document might be found?

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2009, 07:16:08 pm »

Hi,
Having read the EIS and noted that the Guadalhorce reserve is mentioned, I’m now looking for what restrictions, if any, were placed on the use of the new runway to minimise disturbance of the birds while ensuring the safe operation of aircraft.

Any such restriction would normally be detailed in the document granting permission for construction of the runway. Is there anybody on the forum who would know where such a document might be found?

Paddy

Hi Paddy,

I have no idea where you can get ahold of these documents, but I am seeing someone who should have a better idea next Monday. I will ask the question.

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 11:42:25 am »

Thanks Peter.

Our plans for autumn are firming up. We hope to arrive in the first days of Sept. Hoping to meet you all at Guadalhorce. About a week later we head south for Tarifa area to see the autumn migration.

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