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ABS Birding forum => Bird Identification Q&A => Topic started by: indalo on May 22, 2010, 06:51:24 pm

Title: PIPIT IDENTIFICATION, PLEASE...
Post by: indalo on May 22, 2010, 06:51:24 pm
Hello, this morning at Almería mountains I found this bird. I´m not sure about it is TAWNY PIPIT or RICHARD´S PIPIT.

Any feedback is very welcome. Thanks

Jesús
Title: Re: PIPIT IDENTIFICATION, PLEASE...
Post by: Mick on May 23, 2010, 09:43:00 pm
Hi Jesús.

I am notoriously bad at Ids from photographs but looking at the plain mantle, dark loral strip and the fact that I think Richards Pipit is only a rare/uncommon autumn visitor, I will start the ball rolling by going with Tawny.

Mick.
Title: Re: PIPIT IDENTIFICATION, PLEASE...
Post by: indalo on May 24, 2010, 10:30:16 pm
Many thanks, Mick... for this information. After talking to Peter yesterday, he explained me something about youngs in this species, that shows a hook on the bill at their first growth stage, and that they loose it when they grow up. This "hooked bill" was the strongest reason for putting a doubt about the species id as Anthus pratensiscampestris.

Peter, please. More about this?.

Kind regards.

Mick, MANY THANKS again.

Jesús - Almería

Title: Re: PIPIT IDENTIFICATION, PLEASE...
Post by: Peter on May 29, 2010, 05:51:49 pm
Hi Jesus,

Yep, but have to say, that although your bird is definately a Tawny Pipit Anthus campestris, the hooked tip is 'more' pronounced in younger birds and is also present in many other Anthus species. Take a look at a few 'Pipit' photographs and you will see the 'hooked' bill, also present in allied species such as Wagtails Motacilla. A great many insectivore species have this hooked tip to the upper mandible i.e. Flycatchers, Thrushes and even some omnivores like Larks! However, most often it is more obvious in younger birds i.e. 1cy and 2cy birds. A good example of how some species loose this hooked tip to the upper mandible when adult is Thekla Lark!

The description offered by Mick seperates your bird from Richard's Pipit, but this family can cause even experienced birders a headache or two, so good to hear about your bird and have an opportunity to discuss it!

Peter  :)
Title: Re: PIPIT IDENTIFICATION, PLEASE...
Post by: indalo on May 29, 2010, 09:30:42 pm
Many thanks, Peter. I´ll let you know more.

Jesús